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this is Ross coultart and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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everyone and welcome back to that uf4

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podcast Andy here with a bonus show to

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round off the week or the start of the

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week depending on where you're going to

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listen to this I have joining me for

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this one the director of the experiencer

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group co-host on witness citizen podcast

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with Sean Rash and co-founder of the

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inquiry into anomalous experiences

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conferences and of course I've got to

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add Informer guest on the podcast J

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Christopher King Jay welcome back

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it's so great to be here Andy it's so

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wonderful to see you again it's good to

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get you on to chat about the conference

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in plenty of time before it kicks off

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Jay just for anyone who hasn't heard you

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on this podcast or another show before

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give us a little bit of your background

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because you've you've done and are doing

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quite a lot within the UFO topic

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oh thanks Andy and you know I I was just

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thinking before we came on here you know

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you were one of the first interviews

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that I ever did after I kind of came out

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of the closet I've been I've been

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working for a while

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um uh in uh leading support groups for

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fellow anomalous experiencers and I'd

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also been like helping doing background

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research and assisting uh Richard Dolan

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the researcher with his with his uh

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members site and um and actually it was

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it was in gosh I guess it was September

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of 2021 it feels like forever ago but

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um that um that Ralph Blumenthal wrote

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about me the experiencer group and some

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of the other members of the experiencer

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group for an article that was originally

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pitched for the New York Times it

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narrowly got rejected from some kind of

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editorial disagreement and was

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eventually published in the debrief and

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um that was kind of like my coming out

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party and I think we met a few weeks

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it had been like kind of a dicey period

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of time for me before that because like

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I'd already co-founded the experiencer

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group with Stuart Davis and and Kirsten

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Blackburn and um and I was kind of

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navigating this difficult space of being

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a private not public figure non-public

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experiencer while facilitating like a

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whole kind of private members community

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so the experiencer group for those that

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don't know is a private member site

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dedicated to support curiosity and

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anomalous events of any and all kinds so

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that could be UAP experiences

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precognition the list goes on and on and

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uh it's it's a it's a place it's a

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social media site so there's kind of an

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activity feed and things like that and

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activity is actually Zoom uh Zoom groups

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that we do very very frequently so we've

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had over 225 have events just in the

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last two years alone support meetings

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two months called current events and

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enormous culture the last one that we

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wonderful Dan zetterstrom and Sean Rash

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gusting on current events of anonymous

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culture so the members can get together

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experience experiments and experiences

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related to the Monroe Institute

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protocols so it's kind of like out of

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touch with me to say they've had an

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experience of they don't know where to

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turn to they don't know who to talk to

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what should they do and I'm not the guy

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to talk to for that but what I tend to

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do is send them send them your way in

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towards the group but I've never had

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anyone come back to see they've had a

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bad experience doing that so if anyone

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is listening and feel they're looking

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for somewhere to reach out to I can't

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recommend Jay and the other crew from

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the experiencer group enough and if you

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series of interviews Jay at the time I

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group just to talk about those different

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interesting as well so not something I

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can ever attest to say I've had but it's

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always interesting to hear other people

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share those experiences so Jay fast

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forward to now yourself and James

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iandoli from engaging the phenomenon

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podcast former guest James is always

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good to talk to with text regularly as

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going to be your third conference

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thinking that it was first to what have

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been some of the highlights for you and

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some of the kind of the names you've had

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it's crazy to think about again you know

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third in April uh the first one we had

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Gary Nolan uh headlining that was

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absolutely fantastic he did a I think it

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was like an 80 minute ask me anything

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session with people in the audience and

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and uh online and that was kind of a

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surprise people thought he was going to

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do a talk but he was just like let's

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for a really really unique event uh

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Mitch Horowitz was also there Darren

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really wild we had Chris millin headline

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time that Leslie and had ever done a

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conference together so that was a real

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honor and Incredibly unique we had Jeff

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wonderful experience and so many great

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people in the community like like Randy

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a prominent academic regarding anomalous

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studies so many great podcasters uh uh

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zen dan zetterstrom made it uh overseas

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for for that one and he's been over here

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great journey for Dan yeah he went from

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Mexico to Colombia and he's there for

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the phenomenology series and Vinnie

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very jealous of those guys but none of

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them have him four children at home to

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deal with so uh yeah very true that yeah

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if I could sell one of those um that

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would be fantastic if anyone wants to

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get in touch to to fund our trip over

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um what have you learned Jay doing these

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shows because you've done two and I've

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got to be honest given your your

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background in James's neither of you

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were coming from massive as far as I'm

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aware public event organizing and you

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know putting all these types of huge

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deals on and getting guests in from all

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over mistakes must have been made and

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what have you gonna learn from those

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that's very true yeah you know what some

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television and so I produce television

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series uh cable series mainly for the

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um for the for about for basically my

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the entire length of my 30s and um and

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through that through producing and

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writing television because I was I was

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non-fictional television and it's a way

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to evade kind of like Union rules for

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of those shows and accredited producer

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on many of those shows which would often

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mean that I was doing double duty and so

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the same time I'd be going over and and

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trying to facilitate shoots and so that

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would mean like what's the location

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do we cast this and many other

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situations like that that actually

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weirdly fed into what we're doing now

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with the inquiry and almost events and

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so I was able to take like a lot of what

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shoots into play really quickly

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famously difficult you know what I mean

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New York New York City shows up in TV

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and movies all the time and because of

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that it's one of the most difficult

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places to shoot in there's so many

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permits and insurance considerations and

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so let me just not dare and I hate

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interrupting but I I want to test it and

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it's also so expensive to film then you

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Glasgow they will fly the actors the

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sets and they will make Glasgow City

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because it's cheaper to do that uh

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of Gotham where Glasgow and Liverpool

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Glasgow so yeah crazy that it's so much

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cheaper to fly to a different continent

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kinship with you then because in movies

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Batman franchise but I I actually live

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here I can I can see the the skyline out

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my window but I lived over there and

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mainly in Brooklyn for about 16 years

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and I've been over here for about six

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years now but they use Jersey City as to

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look like the shite Parts uh uh in in

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the Joker and films and a lot of the

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Marvel series and things like that and

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so we've got that we've got that kinship

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together between Glasgow and Jersey City

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yeah for sure so you see look like if

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it's not what they are but yeah anyway

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back to the factory UFO stuff yeah

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yeah so um what have I learned I mean

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there's been a lot that I've learned in

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terms of like the little BS in terms of

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like

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bizarre little loopholes that you have

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to kind of manage when dealing with this

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stuff and kind of like the the finance

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side of things which is very very

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difficult and like my hat's off to

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anybody that that works in the space and

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that and has to manage you know the

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accounts and things like that and it's

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something it's kind of like a you know

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it's kind of a dirty word when it comes

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to our our profession or like our field

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of study when it comes to anomalous

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studies ufology anything like that

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there's you know as opposed to almost

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any other field of inquiry it's somehow

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forbidden for people to talk about money

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or to to make money in a situation uh

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when they're doing this and so

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apparently you know you follow G and

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anomalous studies is is is only allowed

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to be done by hobbyists or people that

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are in independently wealthy and you

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know I think that that's I I I think

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that that's frankly

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um crap you know I think I would use

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stronger language but you know I know

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this is going out and like and but like

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along those lines you know um what else

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have I learned there's a lot that I've

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learned in terms of like

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cross-pollination and maybe we'll get

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back to this later but you know when

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James and I come up with like who's

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going to be speaking at these events

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what what we've come to from the first

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one to this one is really like how can

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we create like an exciting environment

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for the speakers themselves

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um and so that people that are watching

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can actually kind of see and experience

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what happens when prominent thinkers in

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slightly different fields get together

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and learn from each other and we can get

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to that when we talk about the speakers

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for this one but that's that's been one

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thing that I think that has been like a

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really like a big point of growth

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between October and no for sure well

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just before we get to the speakers list

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and what they're going to be bringing I

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I mentioned to you before we recorded I

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had like a negative to bring up and I

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never told you what it was and I'd like

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to hear your honest answer so um I saw a

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comment from someone when I was

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promoting the the event for you I'm

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happy to retweet things for you know

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friends colleagues and people like

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yourself who are putting stuff on that

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is going to be beneficial to to people

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who want to take part join in and all

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that kind of stuff

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um and it's it's a big undertaking for

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yourself and James and anyone who's

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doing it including I'll mention now

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Kelly Chase from UFO Rabbit Hole podcast

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is putting on an event uh similar to

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yourself in terms of it being smaller

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scale it's not a big Expo it's not a big

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conference Hall it's a Wright-Patterson

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and that's in uh in July is that right

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am I getting that correct actually it's

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in May it's in May ah okay so there you

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go even even sooner but yeah I'm going

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to be like retweeting that for her as

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well and um I think there's going to be

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a competition for free tickets and stuff

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as well but that'll come out soon but

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excellent these these events remind me

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of concerts that people go to I saw

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someone comment saying that when you

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turn up to one of these events if you've

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heard the person on a podcast or do an

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interview there's no point in going

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because you hear the same stuff over and

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over and over again and for me it's a

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little bit like going to see Adele

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everyone knows Adele you know the

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international Superstar people go to

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stadiums hundred thousand crowds to

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watch Adele sing however the shows that

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people really remember are the smaller

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more intimate venues if you get a chance

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to go to like a Las Vegas residency if

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you get a chance to go to the you know

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the Royal Albert Hall or some real small

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intimate venue you're you're closer

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there's a couple of hundred of you in

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the room they're singing to you they're

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talking to you they're making eye

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contact and I think you see

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celebrities like that on those stages

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they open up more in a way they don't in

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front of a bigger crowd not that you

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don't enjoy those bigger performances

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but those intimate venues I think bring

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something completely different to those

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conversations and what do you think

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about that

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I completely agree you know like the

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events that we've put on we've we've

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never had a room that had up till this

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point that has more than a hundred and

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capacity for more than 144 people

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and so it does create an enormous amount

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of intimacy there's you can approach

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many of these speakers between between

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talks

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um you know there's it's crazy because

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like I each time James and I have to

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kind of like cat hurt a lot between uh

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like at the ends of of these kind of

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segue segments because people are are

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getting up and they're talking to people

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like Chris melon or or Ralph or Whitley

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and things like that and um you know

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that is amazing to have that kind of

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interpersonal experience but then

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there's also situations where you know

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so we're developing a bit of a

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reputation and and in a way it's very

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good because folks like Leslie for

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example you know are are bringing kind

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of new research to their talks as well

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and so you know she did a great job of

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kind of being a little bit quiet about

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it and then once she got on the stage at

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our last conference she revealed that

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she had been researching the Virginia

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Brazil case

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um for quite a while in in massive depth

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the same case that James Fox of course

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uh documented uh in moment of contact

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and so she was showing all sorts of

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Records she was showing all sorts of

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history and and really showing that she

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had been digging into that case herself

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and you know for those that were present

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yeah I think that it was a bit of a

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jaw-dropping moment and for those

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attending online it was a bit of a

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jaw-dropping moment and seeing like oh

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gosh you know New York you know this

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person that's that's written so

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prominently for the New York Times and

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things like this is dealing with like a

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crash retrieval case that involves

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beings and things like this and and so

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you know that's it's not the only

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situation where something like that has

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happened with our conferences thus far

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and that that's something that we look

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forward to continuing uh both in the

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events in in April and in in future

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events as well well I know people at the

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last one also got to see some Advanced

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preview sneak preview of Leslie's

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documentary series that has since aired

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um over in the US as well still to come

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out in the UK so again like you say that

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kind of personal intimate touch is

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something that if you're attending

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um is fantastic but also people get to

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view online as well just to remind you

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folks that if you're listening to this

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and think I'd love to get to New York

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but can't make it then there are limited

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and as I'm not just saying limited but

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there's actually 50 000 that are limited

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live stream tickets available to 500.

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that's right 500. yeah there's 500 live

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stream tickets and there's for this next

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one there's only a hundred total tickets

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for the in-person and right now there is

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five there are five in-person tickets

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left right now so whoever's listening

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right now to that UFO podcast from this

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air is you know get on it as soon as

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possible if you if you'd like to make it

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and those those 500 live streams um will

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likely go as well you know I mean uh the

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the sooner you get to those the better I

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we want to create like we want to ensure

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a quality experience and sometimes

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you'll you'll get on a live cast or

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something like that and and the chat is

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just that it's impossible to engage it's

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impossible to really kind of get

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involved or feel heard in some of these

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situations because so many people are in

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the chat and we really wanted to make a

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situation where we were sure that that

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people could participate and so we're

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we're creating more time between

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speakers for Q a segments more and more

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each time so that so that uh people that

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are attending online uh can participate

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in the Q and A's as well and we're

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making sure that we have kind of like

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the tech available and the the Hands-On

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deck available to make sure that that

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their questions and their and their

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viewpoints are heard both in the room

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and to the speakers

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um involved as well so well it's going

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to be a pretty unique experience tickets

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have been on sale now for a couple of

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weeks for the event that's why there's

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only five left of the in-person tickets

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and also there's not 500 left of the

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live stream tickets put it that way the

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event takes place on Saturday the 8th of

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April from 11 30 a.m that's Eastern Time

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7 30 P to 7 30 p.m eastern time

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um that's right let's talk about some of

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the guests then you've got at this one

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yeah I'll let you take your pick first

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and I'll be honest there's a couple of

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guests that I'm not too familiar with

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but there's a fantastic spread of guests

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across us as well I don't think you

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could look at any two and go oh well

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those both do the same thing

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yeah I mean okay so so in part one thing

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that that is kind of an underlying theme

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that that is taking place with with this

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event in April is um that in part we're

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celebrating Leslie's new show the new

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show that that's premiered on National

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Geographic here in the states it's us on

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Hulu and will be showing up on Disney

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plus if it hasn't already

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um a UFO is investigating the unknown

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and we actually have four speakers

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um uh that were featured Talking Heads

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on that show that are going to be

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showing up in April one of those is

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Derek Pitts now a lot of people

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haven't in our space in an almost study

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will have not heard of Derek Pitts but

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Derek Pitts he's he's the chief

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astronomer and director of the Fells

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planetarium at the Franklin Institute

543
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:34,620
and this is going to be kind of his his

544
00:20:40,690 --> 00:20:38,400
first talk his first lecture within and

545
00:20:43,070 --> 00:20:40,700
not his anomalous study space

546
00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:43,080
after having appeared in that show

547
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,440
notably uh Derek used to be a skeptic

548
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:48,960
and he's he's prominently featured on on

549
00:20:55,370 --> 00:20:52,080
news channels here in the states and for

550
00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:55,380
example back when the Chicago O'Hare uh

551
00:21:00,049 --> 00:20:57,240
incident happened where there was a mass

552
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,059
UFO sighting above above O'Hara Airport

553
00:21:04,490 --> 00:21:02,640
he was brought on to many cable networks

554
00:21:06,770 --> 00:21:04,500
at the time to say like oh it's probably

555
00:21:09,049 --> 00:21:06,780
just a trick of an atmospheric trick and

556
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,059
things like that after that happened

557
00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:11,039
later after that happened he read

558
00:21:15,529 --> 00:21:14,280
Leslie's book UFOs Pilots generals

559
00:21:19,610 --> 00:21:15,539
government officials go on the record

560
00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:19,620
and it totally shifted his Paradigm and

561
00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:22,679
he and he became a proponent of really

562
00:21:27,890 --> 00:21:25,140
looking at these for at UAP issues from

563
00:21:30,169 --> 00:21:27,900
a scientific perspective and so since

564
00:21:31,370 --> 00:21:30,179
then he's carried on a dialogue with her

565
00:21:33,890 --> 00:21:31,380
and with other people in the field

566
00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:33,900
privately and is now kind of coming out

567
00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:36,360
of the Shadows of somebody who is who is

568
00:21:42,529 --> 00:21:40,020
another uh a prominent astronomer like

569
00:21:45,289 --> 00:21:42,539
avilo who's really interested and

570
00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:45,299
dedicated to these issues now so um

571
00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:46,860
though people have may have not have

572
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:48,600
heard of them it'll be exciting to hear

573
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,220
such a great science Communicator

574
00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:52,799
showing up to our event and and kind of

575
00:21:57,470 --> 00:21:55,500
coming coming out as as somebody that's

576
00:22:01,070 --> 00:21:57,480
interested in these issues as well

577
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:01,080
we also have Ryan Graves of course you

578
00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:02,640
know so many people in the space will

579
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:05,400
know Ryan partially from Leslie and

580
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,620
Ralph's series of articles that kind of

581
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:09,840
exposed him to the public and via the

582
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,480
New York Times years ago he's also you

583
00:22:18,049 --> 00:22:14,880
know the host of the the new podcast

584
00:22:20,510 --> 00:22:18,059
merged which prominently features uh

585
00:22:22,970 --> 00:22:20,520
other aircraft pilots and people

586
00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:22,980
involved in aviation in dealing with UAP

587
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,419
issues

588
00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:26,640
um and yeah Ryan was the first active

589
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:29,400
duty person to come forward publicly

590
00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:33,000
about regular sightings of UAP off the

591
00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:35,640
east coast so and Brian doesn't do many

592
00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:37,740
conferences either so it's another

593
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:41,340
opportunity to to rub elbows and hang

594
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:44,580
out and and be around for people that

595
00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:47,520
don't normally show up to every Expo and

596
00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:49,380
Convention or conference that happens in

597
00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:50,460
this space

598
00:22:54,350 --> 00:22:52,620
and Ryan Graves is probably the most

599
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,360
handsome man in podcasting at the moment

600
00:22:58,250 --> 00:22:56,640
so if anyone hasn't seen me and wants to

601
00:23:01,070 --> 00:22:58,260
know what I look like just imagine Ryan

602
00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:01,080
Graves just slightly less muscular

603
00:23:05,210 --> 00:23:03,419
um but yeah he's he's done really well

604
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:05,220
and uh he's been a prominent talking

605
00:23:10,250 --> 00:23:07,380
head in many a documentary since you

606
00:23:12,169 --> 00:23:10,260
know 2017 really onwards as well

607
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,179
um and he's kind of coming to his own

608
00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:14,240
talking to like you say fellow Pilots

609
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:17,400
scientists and others so that's a real

610
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,100
catch for you because he speaks really

611
00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:22,080
well and I I joke about how handsome he

612
00:23:27,169 --> 00:23:24,059
is but he's he's very aesthetically

613
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,179
pleasing on the eye for a TV network so

614
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:29,039
this is why he does their owns on Fox

615
00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:32,760
CNN ABC NBC because he he looks the part

616
00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:35,159
but he also talks the part he's very

617
00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:37,620
highly qualified and he speaks very well

618
00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:38,940
on the topic so he's a very good

619
00:23:42,770 --> 00:23:40,679
Advocate I think for the subject and a

620
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:42,780
really good get for the conference too

621
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:44,760
oh yeah I'm really looking forward to

622
00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:45,900
having them there it's going to be

623
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:48,179
awesome and just my interactions with

624
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,700
him thus far have been fantastic he's a

625
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:53,039
great guy and I I really look forward to

626
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:54,840
having them there and on that I'll

627
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:56,340
introduce the next one for you because

628
00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:57,960
speaking of writing he's been a handsome

629
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,780
man James Fox looks really like my dad

630
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,880
and I'm not joking so every time I

631
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,799
interviewed James I had to say to him

632
00:24:09,049 --> 00:24:06,960
once that you're just very very similar

633
00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:09,059
to how my dad looks and it's a it's easy

634
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,740
so looking at his picture just now which

635
00:24:14,510 --> 00:24:12,720
is slightly shrunk on my screen it's

636
00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:14,520
like my dad's kind of looking at me very

637
00:24:18,770 --> 00:24:16,380
odd one folks but yeah sorry carry on

638
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:18,780
James Fox very serious director and

639
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:20,280
producer of course

640
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:22,260
oh absolutely and we're honored because

641
00:24:27,649 --> 00:24:25,559
James James has shows up to conferences

642
00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:27,659
and events sometimes but he has been

643
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:29,280
actually been filming recently and so

644
00:24:32,270 --> 00:24:30,480
he's actually going to be kind of taking

645
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:32,280
a break from filming to join us which

646
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,200
will be awesome and one thing that's

647
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:36,000
going to be unique about James's time is

648
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:37,620
that he's he's actually going to be

649
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:40,919
doing like last time we had a a fireside

650
00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:44,100
chat a dialogue between Leslie and

651
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:46,380
Christopher melon which was a really

652
00:24:51,049 --> 00:24:48,900
unique experience and for this one we're

653
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,059
going to have Leslie and James Fox

654
00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:53,039
together and considering they've both

655
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:57,000
have been uh privately and publicly

656
00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:59,820
working the Virginia case and other and

657
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,460
other uh and other prominent cases that

658
00:25:06,649 --> 00:25:04,559
that may come into play that day uh

659
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:06,659
it'll be a really unique situation to to

660
00:25:11,090 --> 00:25:09,059
watch the two of them uh have a back and

661
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:11,100
forth and involve the audience and the

662
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:12,780
situation there but you know for those

663
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,940
I'm sure most of your audience know but

664
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,039
you know he's James Fox has done

665
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:19,919
prominent uh TV projects for Discovery

666
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,440
Science fi National Geographic History

667
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:25,200
Channel he's got his films the

668
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,299
phenomenon which is huge which landed

669
00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:29,760
him on Joe Rogan and other places uh

670
00:25:34,010 --> 00:25:31,620
including your podcast

671
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:34,020
um uh moment of contact I know what I

672
00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:37,380
saw out of the blue uh he was a

673
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,220
an incredibly precocious kid

674
00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:42,960
assisting his father who is also a

675
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:46,260
journalist an investigator uh his a lot

676
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:47,580
of people don't know this but James

677
00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:50,820
Fox's dad was actually a journalist and

678
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:53,580
also a paraplegic and so James's dad

679
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,940
needed assistance in in doing his

680
00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:58,799
investigations and doing his interviews

681
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:01,740
and um and that's kind of how James did

682
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,960
the on-the-job training that got him to

683
00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:05,760
where he is today do you know what I

684
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:08,279
love about James and I hope he he

685
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:10,020
appreciates where this comes from when I

686
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,539
see it and I'm sure he will of all the

687
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:14,400
people you interview most of the time

688
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:16,919
people get frustrated that they wouldn't

689
00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:18,840
leave their standard narrative or line

690
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:20,940
of questioning I always get the

691
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:23,340
impression that James in the right mood

692
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,500
and with the right questions always

693
00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:27,360
likes to push the envelope a little bit

694
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,059
of what he knows or what he thinks and

695
00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:32,640
someone like Leslie talking to him in

696
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,919
that kind of intimate setting maybe it's

697
00:26:37,789 --> 00:26:36,240
a bit later in the day a couple of

698
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:37,799
couple of whiskeys are Scottish she's

699
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:41,279
down there James I think has got the

700
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:44,460
the the potential to to loosen his

701
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:45,539
tongue a little bit on some of the

702
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,980
things he talks about so that's that's

703
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:48,720
what I would look forward to

704
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:51,720
absolutely absolutely and again he's

705
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:53,580
going to be answering questions and so

706
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:56,640
uh anybody attending online or in person

707
00:27:01,850 --> 00:27:00,360
just a reminder you know please attend

708
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:01,860
and bring your A game bring your best

709
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,720
questions because James Fox is going to

710
00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:05,279
be there to answer them as well as

711
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:07,500
Leslie absolutely and next up Elizabeth

712
00:27:12,169 --> 00:27:09,240
krone

713
00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:12,179
yes and this is this is another person

714
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:15,000
Elizabeth who many people in our space

715
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:17,100
may not know but this is one thing

716
00:27:21,409 --> 00:27:18,779
that's unique about what James and I are

717
00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:21,419
trying to do which is really putting

718
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:23,640
people out there that need that are

719
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:25,140
really helpful people for the

720
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:28,980
conversation and uh Elizabeth Crone is a

721
00:27:33,169 --> 00:27:31,080
near-death experiencer she actually she

722
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:33,179
was struck by lightning and almost died

723
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:39,720
in a parking lot and and and she had a a

724
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:42,900
very wild Paradigm shifting experience

725
00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:44,760
for her world view during that

726
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:48,120
experience and afterwards and um and

727
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,240
eventually she met uh Jeff and

728
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,279
Jeff of course of of Rice

729
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:55,200
University Fame of archives of the

730
00:28:01,070 --> 00:27:59,580
impossible Fame uh a unstated but very

731
00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:01,080
active member of the invisible College

732
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,140
if it's still invisible anymore and uh

733
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:06,900
Elizabeth it turned out after she was

734
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,520
struck by lightning she started having

735
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:11,279
precognitive of experiences precognitive

736
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:12,559
dreams

737
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:15,260
including

738
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,640
and so you know a lot of people they

739
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:22,320
write sometimes they write these things

740
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:24,360
in their dream journals or whatever and

741
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:26,580
it's not verifiable however Elizabeth

742
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:29,100
had the had the forethought to actually

743
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,760
email herself these These precognitive

744
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:35,039
Dreams and precognitive visions and so

745
00:28:39,769 --> 00:28:36,659
she actually had like a time and date

746
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:39,779
stamp on what she was seeing and so

747
00:28:47,149 --> 00:28:43,440
there are a couple uh prominent plane

748
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:47,159
crashes including the famous Sully wreck

749
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:50,220
where where the a plane had to kind of

750
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:52,500
crash land into a river right here in

751
00:28:57,890 --> 00:28:55,140
New York City she foresaw that and

752
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,900
emailed it to herself the day before the

753
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,240
wreck actually happened and so there

754
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:02,880
have been researchers since that have

755
00:29:06,169 --> 00:29:04,740
like looked at her email records and

756
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,179
looked at her history and dealing with

757
00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:09,120
precognitive experiences and it created

758
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:10,980
you know unlike a lot of situations

759
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:13,740
there is a there is definitely a track

760
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,880
record there and so um she she co-wrote

761
00:29:21,889 --> 00:29:19,620
a wonderful book called changing a flash

762
00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:21,899
with Jeff kreypel which speaks a lot to

763
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:23,460
the validity

764
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:27,059
um of her case and kind of how serious

765
00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:28,919
some people in the community take her

766
00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:30,360
experience

767
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:31,799
um and it opens up a lot of questions

768
00:29:36,169 --> 00:29:33,419
you know like what's a near-death

769
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:36,179
experience like how you know how does

770
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:38,039
our brain chemistry or how do our bodies

771
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,020
change when extreme events happen

772
00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:42,000
traumatic events or even just being

773
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:44,279
having that load of electricity go

774
00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:46,260
through you does it fundamentally change

775
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:48,539
something about people's perceptions and

776
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,520
there aren't a lot of great answers to

777
00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:52,320
these questions yet but we have to start

778
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,659
asking these bigger questions to get

779
00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:56,460
anywhere in this field I think

780
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:58,919
yeah that'd be really interesting and um

781
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:01,200
Elizabeth's story similar to others from

782
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,299
Leslie Kane's surviving death and it's

783
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,000
not normally a subject or topic I was

784
00:30:09,649 --> 00:30:08,159
too interested in because I get a little

785
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,659
bit scared of all that kind of stuff not

786
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:11,520
that I don't believe it but you know the

787
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,559
afterlife and ghost has always been

788
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,360
something since a kid it's going to end

789
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,279
build to be scared of it and hearing

790
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:18,960
some of the stories of folks at Leslie's

791
00:30:23,090 --> 00:30:21,840
interviewed and spoken to of how they've

792
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:23,100
come back from what they've came back

793
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:25,380
from is just incredible so yeah that'll

794
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:27,720
be a really interesting one uh next up

795
00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:29,220
is Daniel Ingram

796
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,460
that's right Dr Daniel Ingram now Dr

797
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,080
Daniel Ingram

798
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,000
he's an incredible he's an incredible

799
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,159
figure first of all he's an MD he was he

800
00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:40,080
was a trauma physician

801
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:42,600
um doing emergency medicine for many

802
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:44,700
years uh he also has a master's in

803
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,460
public health on top of having his MD

804
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,919
um he's also now the chief organizer and

805
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:51,120
co-founder

806
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:54,120
of What's called the eprc the emergent

807
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,580
phenomenology research Consortium and so

808
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:58,559
he's been getting together with medical

809
00:31:04,310 --> 00:30:59,880
professionals

810
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,320
and scientists to help look at and and

811
00:31:10,990 --> 00:31:06,960
validate situations of the biological

812
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,000
effects that happen uh for experiencers

813
00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:13,679
uh in within different modalities and

814
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,779
this could be like a situation of a UAP

815
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:17,580
it could be situations about a body

816
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:19,620
anything and everything along those

817
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:22,140
lines and so basically he's they're

818
00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:24,659
looking at ways that they can kind of uh

819
00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:27,779
help Define some of these situations or

820
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,059
or at least you know promote dialogue in

821
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:32,279
the in the medical community and start

822
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,059
to move with the goal of having these a

823
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:38,700
lot of these biological effects codified

824
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,460
into medical language and even be able

825
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:44,399
to make it into medical codes so that

826
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:46,380
they can be officially billed for

827
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:49,500
insurance purposes and so it's it seems

828
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,960
like kind of a strange route to go in

829
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:54,240
some ways but you know many people know

830
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:56,100
about the kind of healthcare emergency

831
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:58,260
that we deal with in in the United

832
00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:00,779
States where we don't have the kind of

833
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:02,460
nationalized Healthcare systems that so

834
00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:04,620
many other countries do and so if if

835
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,419
things aren't billable by insurance

836
00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:08,700
companies they're ignored essentially

837
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:11,399
they're they're they they don't exist as

838
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,220
as conditions because doctors doctors

839
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,799
can't make money from them you know the

840
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:18,960
the list goes on and on for the reasons

841
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:22,020
why it's necessary for the biological

842
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:24,299
effects that that and there are many

843
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,100
experiences that have that Come Away

844
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:28,799
with chronic health conditions that seem

845
00:32:33,289 --> 00:32:31,679
to have you know differences possibly in

846
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:33,299
their the gray matter in their brains

847
00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:35,100
all sorts of situations like this and so

848
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:36,539
Daniel's doing really important that

849
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,840
work that way also he's he's a prominent

850
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:42,240
figure within

851
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,700
um within meditation practice he's

852
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:46,559
written several books on ease of

853
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:49,740
practicing Buddhist himself and is very

854
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:51,539
well known in that space and so it'll be

855
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:55,080
great to kind of to to have him join to

856
00:33:01,310 --> 00:32:58,500
both be speaking from a a very grounded

857
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,320
medical perspective with regard to to

858
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:03,360
the effects of experiencers and also

859
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,880
looking at it from somebody that you

860
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:07,860
know many people in our figure in our

861
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:09,720
field might think of as kind of like a

862
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:12,480
woo uh category you know somebody with

863
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:15,480
meditation uh background that really is

864
00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:16,679
kind of interested in the spiritual

865
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,600
space he marries those two things in a

866
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:21,120
way in a way that I think is that I and

867
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:24,120
James thinks uh necessary to kind of

868
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:26,279
bring into the conversation no that's a

869
00:33:30,169 --> 00:33:28,200
really interesting crossover in terms of

870
00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:30,179
just himself if you've got this range of

871
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:32,039
guests this is one guest almost with two

872
00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:33,720
you know really serious Medical

873
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:36,539
Professional but has that spiritual say

874
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:39,240
that connection meditation and merging

875
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:40,740
those two together

876
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:42,659
um I'm not going to lie this next guest

877
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,700
Jay and I'll give you um a bit of a hint

878
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:46,559
here I would love to speak to her for

879
00:33:50,750 --> 00:33:49,260
the podcast that's Mr Peter lavender uh

880
00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:50,760
he is the co-author of the secret

881
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:53,340
machine series God's Man and War that's

882
00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:55,500
someone I I've I would love to speak to

883
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:57,299
on the podcast you know if only I knew

884
00:34:00,769 --> 00:33:58,500
someone who knew him

885
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:00,779
um what's Peter going to bring to the to

886
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:04,740
the event oh Peter is such an amazing

887
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:07,380
figure I mean I I love Peter's work he's

888
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:09,899
he's so unique in the field and again

889
00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:11,700
like some of these other folks he

890
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:13,500
doesn't show up to conferences he barely

891
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:16,080
he'll barely show up to a podcast yeah

892
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:19,500
and so and so having him actually agree

893
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,679
to come up uh felt like a huge win for

894
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:24,000
James and I

895
00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:25,560
um it's a really big deal it's it's

896
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:27,720
partially because Peter actually grew up

897
00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:30,720
in New York City and so so it was a

898
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:32,220
little bit of a lure to get him back

899
00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:33,240
here

900
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:35,879
um but we're so excited Peter you know

901
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:39,540
he he wrote the these these Gods men and

902
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:42,720
war secret machines book books with uh

903
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:45,780
Tom DeLonge of course and and gods and

904
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:48,179
men have come out and there have been

905
00:34:53,329 --> 00:34:50,460
kind of Rumblings from Tom and Peter

906
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:53,339
that that war will will be published

907
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,419
soon

908
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,599
and um and so this is going to be a rare

909
00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:00,000
situation where maybe we'll be able to

910
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:01,800
hear a little bit of a preview from

911
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:02,880
Peter

912
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,580
um with regard to the kind of topics and

913
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:07,740
maybe maybe some of the work itself that

914
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:10,740
that will come out later uh in war we'll

915
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,560
see but um you know he brings such an

916
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:16,560
amazing historical perspective because

917
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,660
he he doesn't just look at the field of

918
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:21,119
ufology and Anonymous studies in general

919
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:23,640
but for those that have read the secret

920
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:26,940
machines books uh you'll know that he

921
00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:30,660
has a strong history and and the Mystery

922
00:35:34,370 --> 00:35:31,859
Schools

923
00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:34,380
um uh what's what's also what's often

924
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:37,079
thought of as Gnostic thought and so he

925
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,420
he brings a kind of interesting marriage

926
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,520
of like what I have been kind of like

927
00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:44,160
the Forbidden ideas over many many years

928
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,740
and like how do those complement how do

929
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,480
this each other how do those work with

930
00:35:54,109 --> 00:35:51,359
each other and and why are people in

931
00:35:56,329 --> 00:35:54,119
power so interested in them you know

932
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:56,339
throughout throughout the years and so I

933
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:58,020
think that he'll bring a very unique

934
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:00,780
perspective a unique historical

935
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,660
perspective to the situation and again

936
00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:06,240
it may help cross-pollinate with some of

937
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:07,800
these other speakers that may not be

938
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:10,140
used to hearing perspectives like that

939
00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:12,599
absolutely and I think anyone who works

940
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:15,420
alongside calmed along so closely it's

941
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:17,339
always nice to hear a little bit about

942
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:18,780
Tom Delong from other people's

943
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:20,760
perspectives Jim simivan recently on the

944
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:22,980
podcast was similar to that so

945
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:25,079
um and coming soon from Tom Delong with

946
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:27,180
the number of uh projects He has on his

947
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,180
desk you know the Blink-182 reunion uh

948
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:32,880
the tour coming up the monsters in

949
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,980
California potentially coming out soon

950
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:37,200
which How Soon Is Now to quote a famous

951
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:38,940
Morissey lyric

952
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,200
um yeah that's that's when I look

953
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,720
forward to and uh finally Leslie Kane

954
00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:44,700
we've touched on is going to be hosting

955
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:47,099
that chat with James Fox

956
00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:50,579
oh absolutely yeah and I like

957
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:53,099
it's such an honor to and such a

958
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:55,500
pleasure to know Leslie and to have her

959
00:37:00,050 --> 00:36:58,260
involved you know after she came to the

960
00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:00,060
first event and just watched you know

961
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:03,300
the Gary Nolan conference and then she

962
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:06,660
played such an integral role in in the

963
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:08,220
second conference

964
00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:10,440
um with it was a fireside chat with

965
00:37:16,329 --> 00:37:13,320
Chris Christopher melon that now you

966
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,339
know it's it's it's hard to imagine

967
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:19,020
having an event here without her around

968
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,740
uh she's become such a central figure

969
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:24,720
um to these events and she's such a

970
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:26,520
central figure and kind of

971
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:29,880
um the social aspects of of New York and

972
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:33,300
anomalous studies and ufology right so

973
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:35,460
um yeah what can I say about her the

974
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:38,520
Show recently surviving death you know

975
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:41,460
UFOs investigating the unknown the the

976
00:37:46,190 --> 00:37:43,619
series of of articles for the New York

977
00:37:49,730 --> 00:37:46,200
Times she's really one of our greatest

978
00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:49,740
living figures in the field and for what

979
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:53,339
she's done in terms of of exposing

980
00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:56,579
things like atip the gimbal go go fast

981
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:58,200
videos

982
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,079
um you know uh bringing people like

983
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,480
Chris Mellon and Lou Elizondo and Ryan

984
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:05,599
Graves to the general public at large

985
00:38:10,609 --> 00:38:08,760
you know it's it's hard to over over

986
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:10,619
State

987
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:12,420
um the what she's really done for the

988
00:38:17,569 --> 00:38:15,480
field going all the way back to the

989
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:17,579
Boston Globe and the cometa report back

990
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,140
in the 90s

991
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:21,599
um so it's it's it's always a pleasure

992
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:24,720
to have her there and it's it's an

993
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:29,400
amazing thing that I that we get to

994
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:32,280
we get to learn from Leslie really you

995
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,400
know the public that comes to these

996
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:37,680
um other speakers and for James and I

997
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:39,720
it's it's a real real gift to the

998
00:38:44,750 --> 00:38:42,900
community for sure I love Leslie just as

999
00:38:46,810 --> 00:38:44,760
we start to close out I want to ask now

1000
00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:46,820
you must have had yourself and James

1001
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:49,380
private conversations with with past

1002
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:51,660
guests at these conferences and I'm not

1003
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,740
one that's going to ask you to name

1004
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,960
names and what was said but

1005
00:38:58,130 --> 00:38:56,700
if you're comfortable feel free to name

1006
00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:58,140
names you know what Chris melon may have

1007
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,839
said what he thinks is going on but what

1008
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,000
what are those conversations like and I

1009
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,520
wonder from a private point of view how

1010
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:07,200
are those guests

1011
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,300
giving you an indication how they think

1012
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:11,040
things are playing out the UFO

1013
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:12,420
conversation you're talking to Gary

1014
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:14,460
Nolan Leslie Kane Ralph Blumenthal Chris

1015
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:16,140
Miller and anyone else at those

1016
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:18,660
conferences how are you packaging all

1017
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:20,760
that together what's being said as to

1018
00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:22,740
how how things are going for the UFO

1019
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:24,839
conversation

1020
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:28,859
it's it's an incredibly exciting time

1021
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:31,920
I mean for from what I'd known from what

1022
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:33,540
I hear from the people that you just

1023
00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:37,200
mentioned and others you know it's in

1024
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,579
organizing these events you're

1025
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:40,320
absolutely right that it's it's really

1026
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,020
put me and James in a very unique

1027
00:39:47,089 --> 00:39:44,880
position in terms of the kind of

1028
00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:47,099
information that we hear I was used to

1029
00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:49,260
that to a degree before with the

1030
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:51,000
experiencer group and some of the people

1031
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:53,220
that that float through that Community

1032
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:57,599
as well but it's and it's just taken off

1033
00:40:02,329 --> 00:40:00,060
um even more in an expanded way with

1034
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:02,339
these conferences and it's it's

1035
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,400
impossible to ignore that there are so

1036
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,960
many

1037
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:09,599
groups individuals and factions that

1038
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:12,320
have so many kind of secret plays

1039
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:15,300
happening right now like towards like

1040
00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:17,700
what's happening this year this spring

1041
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:20,940
this summer this fall and

1042
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:24,000
you know from what I hear you know if if

1043
00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:26,940
any two of these situations go down the

1044
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,859
way that they're planned it's going to

1045
00:40:32,329 --> 00:40:30,480
be a real paradigm shift for the public

1046
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:32,339
conversation and there's the possibility

1047
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:34,380
for a lot more so you know it's

1048
00:40:39,609 --> 00:40:37,020
interesting because as opposed to say

1049
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:39,619
five or ten years ago I do understand

1050
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:43,020
some of the secrecy from the

1051
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:45,660
researcher's perspective from from the

1052
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,400
inside of the researcher's perspective

1053
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:49,200
from inside of our community a lot of

1054
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:50,700
people they get frustrated because

1055
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:53,099
online they'll they'll not get an answer

1056
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:55,800
from you know the Pentagon or something

1057
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:58,140
like that the dod or whatever and then

1058
00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:59,579
they'll go to somebody like Ralph

1059
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,040
Blumenthal or whatever and and and ask

1060
00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:05,040
him and maybe not and get more of an

1061
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,859
answer but you know there'll be a point

1062
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:09,599
where things start to go vague or where

1063
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,740
he doesn't want to speak on the record

1064
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:12,000
or something like that and that's

1065
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:13,859
completely understandable the more the

1066
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:17,160
the more that I'm involved in in with

1067
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,500
with these situations and speaking with

1068
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:20,880
these people relatively frequent

1069
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,700
currently you know it's kind of like a

1070
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,920
football game and you don't ask like a

1071
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:27,599
football coach before the Super Bowl

1072
00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:29,640
like so what are the plays that you're

1073
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:31,079
going to be doing you know in a couple

1074
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,060
hours here you know like because the

1075
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:35,040
other side listens you know there are

1076
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:36,540
and there are a lot of people that want

1077
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:38,760
to block the progress that's been

1078
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:40,619
happening these last five years you know

1079
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,380
five and a half years almost since uh

1080
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:46,079
the December uh 2017 New York Times

1081
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:47,820
article you know that was a big game

1082
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:50,040
changer and ever since then it's it's

1083
00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:51,420
like we've been playing a different game

1084
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:54,119
than before and a lot of people want to

1085
00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:56,579
make sure that they keep their plays

1086
00:42:01,069 --> 00:41:58,740
um kind of kind of on on The Quiet on

1087
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:01,079
the DL and until until some of these

1088
00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:03,420
situations come to light yeah it's an

1089
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,099
exciting time though they're they're a

1090
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:06,720
whistle you know there are people that

1091
00:42:10,730 --> 00:42:08,820
that are going to be going public over

1092
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:10,740
the course of the next month there are

1093
00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:13,800
all sorts of wild situations possibly in

1094
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:16,200
DC possibly in New York that are going

1095
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:19,380
to be coming up and it's it's I I think

1096
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:22,560
that 2023 like no BS like I I kind of

1097
00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:24,420
hate it when people talk like this but I

1098
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:26,520
really think that this is going to be

1099
00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:29,099
the biggest Paradigm Shift year since

1100
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:31,400
2017 for this field

1101
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:34,680
if I collap that one part of you seeing

1102
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:36,420
that and put it online the hit you would

1103
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:37,980
get would be incredible and you know it

1104
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,380
too but I think that's without the

1105
00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:42,480
content right behind it um but listen

1106
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:44,220
that's a nice place to round off how can

1107
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:46,140
folks Jay get a hold of tickets uh those

1108
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:48,119
kind of final tickets remaining

1109
00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:51,900
oh sure absolutely so um tickets are

1110
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:53,820
still available again we only have about

1111
00:42:58,130 --> 00:42:56,099
a handful for in person and we have a

1112
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:58,140
total of 500

1113
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:01,260
um for for the online live stream

1114
00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:02,940
version of the conference those are

1115
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:08,180
available at an inquiry 2023 Dot

1116
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:10,859
rsvpfi.com and I'm sure we'll put that

1117
00:43:16,809 --> 00:43:13,079
in the comments and in the show notes as

1118
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,890
inquiry2023.rsvpfi.com and the name of

1119
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,640
it is an inquiry into an almost

1120
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:22,800
experiences and the phenomenon you can

1121
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:25,140
also look for it that way

1122
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:27,420
um yeah absolutely

1123
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:28,619
um if you wanted to know how to find me

1124
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:30,420
on Twitter or anything like that too are

1125
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:33,060
you good nah no yeah yeah those those

1126
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:34,500
will be in the discussion as well but

1127
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:35,880
for those who don't like looking at the

1128
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:39,060
show descriptions on you go sure yeah

1129
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:41,220
well if you'd like to you'd like to look

1130
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:43,560
for more about these events uh on

1131
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:44,940
Twitter or anywhere else you can search

1132
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:47,700
for inquire anomalous that's the name of

1133
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:50,339
the conference series and um also feel

1134
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,260
free to look at

1135
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:53,520
um the experiencer group if you're

1136
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:54,780
interested if you're an experiencer

1137
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:57,540
yourself and you'd like to to find uh

1138
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,980
others out there that might have had

1139
00:44:02,690 --> 00:44:00,660
similar experiences to you or you'd like

1140
00:44:04,270 --> 00:44:02,700
to compare notes uh the experiencer

1141
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,280
group you can find at

1142
00:44:11,290 --> 00:44:07,200
tegmembers.com you can find also find it

1143
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:11,300
at forexperiencers.com or at f o r

1144
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:14,460
experiencers on Twitter as well

1145
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,680
well best of luck to yourself and James

1146
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,480
for the third in this series of

1147
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,640
conferences which is ongoing maybe I'll

1148
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:22,800
get to that next one you never know and

1149
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:25,800
uh yeah I'll see folks in the live chat

1150
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:27,060
on the night

1151
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:29,160
well it's ABS thank you Andy it's been

1152
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,560
so great to see you today and yeah gosh

1153
00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:33,119
darn it we're gonna see I'm gonna see

1154
00:44:37,609 --> 00:44:35,220
you in person one of these days and it's

1155
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:37,619
gonna be amazing what I do that is all

1156
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:39,540
for this week's show thank you very much

1157
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:41,640
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00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:50,400
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00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,220
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1169
00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:10,079
keep looking up you never know what you

1170
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:40,160
champagne

1171
00:46:05,930 --> 00:45:46,250
[Music]

1172
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:05,940
jump back in there and kiss myself and I

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00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:42,600
[Music]

1174
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:56,460
open your mind

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00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:18,370
[Music]

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00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:43,309
that's hard

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